Help? Confirmation? Ideas - Tailgate Bar & Grill

[PiscesGlass]

Hi Guys,

I'm trying to design a gift for a friend of my son, who came here and spent quite a lot of his time helping to pull our 425' submersible pump out of the well (it would have cost me a bunch of $$ to have the well company do it)  They finally got me water again after several days of working out there in the cold.  
He and his wife own this establishment located not far from where I live, so I asked him if he'd like a stained glass sign for his business in a manner of attempting to pay him back for all of his help. (He even got us connected w/ his BIL to purchase a new pump @ wholesale!)  
So this is what he sent me as his logo, it looks Red in the logo, but on his flyer it's Orange, so I'm probably going to go with the Orange.  It's a pretty cute place, their regular outside sign looks like a Maine License plate with the name in the center of it...I'm thankful he didn't want that out of glass. Yikes.

So my question is...I'm thinking that I'm going to have to paint (and I'm abysmally bad at painting) the smaller sections of this..the year, the words Bar & Grill etc.  I don't have a kiln..so it's probably going to have to be Pebeo paints and the oven.  I haven't had the greatest luck with applying them evenly, so I'm hoping for some advice....

De  (After I downloaded this..I noticed I didn't put a line to make the cuts easier on the "T" of Tailgates..I've fixed that now.  And I'm very tempted to make a surrounding rectanglar frame using a clear or Water glass to make it easier to frame.)

[Wayne]

...or....you can make a mosaic on a weatherproof substrate which is predrilled so that it can be mounted outside for all to see

[Glassic]

Mosaic would look great! 
On the lettering, maybe you know some_Kevone with one of those clever cutting machines that would make a stencil, from a scrap of resist, to help make your painting purrrfect.

[PiscesGlass]

W, I think that they want a traditional SG to hand over their lighted bar area..but the mosaic'd idea is a good one for a sign I think!

Y..hummm...I didn't know that "some one (Kev)"..how DID you do that anyway..had one of those clever cutting machines..lol.  But he's been so abused by me I wouldn't dare ask him.  I do have some resist though..good idea..I could cut a nice stencil out of that with my handy dandy stencil melting tool..lol.  I may put that to good use!

Now..paint pens? Bottled paint and a brush? Should I rough up the surface first.  ideas?...

De

[Wayne]

Oven baked paints are not going to last.  Do it all in stained glass and not worry about it tarnishing your name.
Use the oven to bake things to eat like turkey and wabbits.

[PiscesGlass]

LOL W, I'd have to have a name to tarnish.  Ugh..some of that stuff is going to be so tiny that I was hoping I could paint it in..but I don't want it to fall off or chip away after a little while...I guess I could do the little stuff out of glass..I've done smaller pieces for sure. 
If the sign is large enough it might be doable..I just have an aversion to so many cut lines that it takes away from the lettering I guess.

See we knew all along that it was you that took that wascally wabbit!! LOL.

De

[Anne]

What about Color Magic paint?  And I'll bet you can buy stencils for the letters in the size you'll want. You could check Michaels De, or a sign painting shop maybe?

[Wayne]

LOL W, I'd have to have a name to tarnish.  Ugh..some of that stuff is going to be so tiny that I was hoping I could paint it in..but I don't want it to fall off or chip away after a little while...I guess I could do the little stuff out of glass..I've done smaller pieces for sure. 
If the sign is large enough it might be doable..I just have an aversion to so many cut lines that it takes away from the lettering I guess.

See we knew all along that it was you that took that wascally wabbit!! LOL.

De

How large is this?  I don't see lots of work here or else I am missing things.  What you have drawn is a set of letters which are easy to cut out.

It was not me!

[PiscesGlass]

Oh...you're talking about the Tail Gate lettering..lol..I was talking about the Bar, Grill, Since and 2006.  Top, Bottom, leftmost and rightmost portions of it.  The Tail Gate I'll have no problem with.  And if the sign were large enough I suppose..the rest of it might not be too bad.

I'd planned the sign out for 36"..but it could be longer than that if need be.

De

[Rebecca]

What about Color Magic paint?  And I'll bet you can buy stencils for the letters in the size you'll want. You could check Michaels De, or a sign painting shop maybe?

Color Magic paint is even less permanent than Pebeo Vitrea.  (Although something can't be "less" permanent - it's either permanent or not and both of these are NOT.)

Rebecca

[PiscesGlass]

Thanks Rebecca and Wayne for the feedback on the Vitrea (or oven cured paints) I guess I'd best stay away from them.  After all if he, out of the goodness of his heart, spent so much time helping us, I'd like my gift back to be a long lasting one for them.

Someone has offered to paint the smaller details on for me and cook them in her kiln...what a sweetheart!

This is my latest take on the panel..I'll be framing it in a wood frame (now that I know a good resource for wood frames!  thx W and Shereen!)

De

[Malinda]

De, If someone is going to paint the smaller letters and numbers for you why don't you eliminate those cutlines and have those spots be larger pieces, let me see if I can print scan and insert here what I am talking about. brb in a few lol

Ok, idk if you can see this or not but I just circled the pieces I mean to make one whole piece to eliminate the cutlines....

[Kev]

How about plating the white areas and doing foil overlays for the black areas. I suspect it would not take much flexing of the piece to snap those bats off.

[Wayne]

Ahh the small letters you are talking about!  Yes, indeed, they are too small to cut.

If you have to use the oven paints, then plate over it with float/clear glass and it will live much longer.

[PiscesGlass]

I like that idea Wayne, the float glass plating over the letters..now that piece of advice I'm going to have to store in my memory banks..good one! 

Foil overlay is another good idea, if someone hadn't offered to help by painting this for me and firing it, then if I'd left it with all the cut lines on the side sections..possibly I could have put float glass over the little rectangles that would have said "since", "2006", "Bar" and "Grill".  But I'm not a huge fan of foil overlay unless it can be connected to a solder line as it tends to lift eventually, but protected with plating might do the trick.

I hope it doesn't flex too much in the oak frame I plan on putting it in...I do really like the idea of plating the baseball bats though.  I think I will make the white letters part of the panel..hummm..you guys always give me lots to think over.

Good ideas!!  De

[Rebecca]

Plating with foil for an outdoors application might not be a good idea.  You could get condesation or other moisture between the layers and grow mold or algae and look awful.

Rebecca

[Wayne]

Plating with foil for an outdoors application might not be a good idea.  You could get condesation or other moisture between the layers and grow mold or algae and look awful.

Rebecca

It is an indoor sign though.

[ct4mom]

couldnt you etch the small letters and use rub n buff or paint and maybe the paint would adhere better.

[Tom]

I know it could be a little bit costly, but they did save you a ton of $, so why not buy a piece of flash glass and have Kev use it for one of his first projects in sand carving it out?  I know, I know, $ + shipping = BIG $ and would be a PITA, but I am just throwing the idea out there.

I also did like the mosaics idea De......but another thought (and thoughts are so rare for me),,,,, do your mosaic on clear glass substrate and have that framed.  I feel brain dead, I know someone does mosaics on like windows and uses some kind of clear glue or bonding agent, but for the life of me I cant remember who   .......see one too many thoughts and I start having brain farts!!!!   At least this way it could be used inside and back lit or something like you wanted.

Anyhow, sounds like an interesting, and challenging project for you....GOOD LUCK!!!!

[Wayne]

Tom, if she went with a mosaic, the same problem with the small letters is there.  I think it is a done deal and much easier at this point to go with her friend painting them on and firing them.

(The glue for mosaic on clear glass is Mac glue)